Knightscope Q4 2025 Earnings Call - Event Risk acquisition recasts Knightscope as a managed-service play to scale into a $230B TAM

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: All right, let’s get going. My name is William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO of Knightscope, and here with our trusty CFO, Apoorv S. Dwivedi. We’re gonna do a little bit of a different format today. First, an announcement regarding this Thursday, then Apoorv S. Dwivedi will go through the 2025 financial results that we filed on a Form 10-K. Then we aggregated a bunch of questions that have come in, including from the three equity research analysts, and we’ll try to put that in a much more efficient approach to answering questions. With that, I’ll start it off with, we’re gonna have our first annual Autonomous Security Force Day, and also celebrate our 13th year anniversary in business. I often like to say we’re here in Silicon Valley.

There are 22,000 startups here. 95% of them fail despite having unbelievable ambition, financing, and the like. For us to be able to start the company, get it funded, grow it, take it public, buy two companies, and still be at it 13 years later is certainly a testament to the relentless nature of the Knightscope team. I couldn’t be more excited about our future as we build out the nation’s first Autonomous Security Force. This Thursday, we’re going to have several VIP private sessions for previews as to what we’re building during 2026 and intentionally to get some market feedback. Then we’re gonna have an open house in the evening here in Sunnyvale at our new headquarters.

There’s rumors flying around there’s gonna be an ice cream truck and a bunch of other stuff. Hopefully, if you haven’t RSVP’d, please be sure to check our social media channels or newsletters, and you can grab a spot there. That’ll be at 6 P.M. this Thursday. All right. With that, I’ll turn it over to Apoorv, who will walk you through history, meaning 2025, and kinda what happened then. Then we’ll talk a little bit about the acquisition and the questions and why all the excitement for 2026 and beyond. With that, Apoorv.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Thanks, Bill. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining. I will begin with a review of our financial performance, first for the Q4, and then the full year 2025, followed by commentary on liquidity and capital strategy. With that, let’s jump right in. Q4 revenues declined approximately 9.8% year-over-year, reflecting primarily driven by supply chain constraints, which we’ve talked about in the past, that resulted in delays of ECD product deliveries. The services business remained materially unchanged. Gross loss of $1.6 million reflects ongoing margin pressure driven by elevated material and other input costs for production and by under absorption of fixed manufacturing overhead. These factors were consistent with full year trends and underscore the need for improved scale and supply chain normalization to drive margin recovery for the company.

Our operating expenses of $9.7 million in the quarter increased approximately $3.8 million year-over-year, driven by higher investment in both R&D and SG&A functions. R&D spending reflects the company’s deep commitment to continued advancement of our next generation platforms, such as the K7, the K1 Capsule, and the Signals software. SG&A increased primarily due to targeted investment in talent and organizational capabilities, which are critical to positioning the company for future scale and growth. Overall, the cost structure reflects a deliberate investment phase to support long-term expansion. Q4 2025 net loss of $11 million widened versus prior year due to a combination of lower revenue, continued gross margin pressure, and sustained operating investment. The quarter reflects a near-term financial impact of scaling the platform while revenue growth remains uneven. With that, moving on to full year.

2025 full year revenue grew approximately 4.9% to $11.3 million, driven primarily by the services revenue expansion in both the Machine-as-a-Service ASR offerings and our full-service maintenance plans on the ECD installed base. However, growth in the product revenue was modest due to the already discussed supply-chain-related constraints and shipment timing issues discussed earlier. Cost of revenue increased by approximately $1.1 million versus prior year, reflecting higher bill of material costs, supply chain inefficiencies, component shortages, and production variability. The lack of scale continues to pressure unit economics, reinforcing the importance of driving higher volume and utilization as we continue to grow. Full year operating expenses increased approximately 12.1% year-over-year, driven primarily by a $5.4 million increase in R&D investment compared to 2024.

This reflects continued focus on platform development and next generation products to support future scalability. The increase was partially offset by cost savings in SG&A expenses of approximately $1.8 million, as well as the absence of half a million in restructuring charges incurred in the prior year. This demonstrating progress in optimizing the company’s cost structure while investing in growth. Full-year loss increased to approximately $33.8 million. This reflects a combination of modest revenue growth, continued gross margin pressure, and elevated investment levels consistent with the company transitioning to growth. Weighted average loss per share of $4 decreased by approximately 63.5% year over year. Finally, from a balance sheet and cash flow perspective, we used approximately $30.3 million in operating activities during 2025. Continuing to invest in product development, deployments, and now organizational scale.

Importantly, we raised $42.2 million through financing activities, allowing us to strengthen our balance sheet and support ongoing operations. We ended representing a significant increase from $11.1 million at the end of 2024. Looking ahead, our focus remains actively on managing liquidity through a combination of capital markets access, operational discipline, and strategic initiatives designed to improve cash generation over time. In summary, 2025 was a year of foundational investment. We strengthened the liquidity position, continued to grow revenue modestly, and made critical progress in evolving our business model towards a more integrated and scalable platform. While near-term financial performance reflects that investment phase, we believe the combination of our technology, software, and now human-enabled delivery capabilities position Knightscope to pursue larger opportunities and improve financial performance over time.

With that, I’ll turn the call over to Bill as we go through the questions provided by our analysts ahead of time.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Yeah, Puru, I think there’s some connectivity issues. So if you wanna kill the PowerPoint and turn your video back on would be great. While he does that, let me put things in context a little bit. We’ve been at this problem and tackling this issue of trying to see if we can make the U.S. the safest country in the world, utilizing technology, AI, robotics, electric vehicle technology, telecommunications, the whole gamut. After working on the problem for over a decade, it’s become obvious to me that the nation’s addicted to CCTV cameras, security guards, and video management systems running on Windows and are unwilling to change, or if willing to change at a snail’s pace.

We wanted to try to be helpful to our clients to build a managed service provider that can take a lot of the technological burden, complexity, regarding the technology itself, installation, IT, cybersecurity, keeping things up to date, making sure it’s all operating off of a chief security officer’s hands, and come with go to market with a complete, full solution instead of having this disparate set of widgets all over the place that don’t talk to each other, and the like. An accelerant and catalyst to do that was the acquisition of Event Risk that we recently announced. That’s a transformative and strategic acquisition so that we can go to market as a managed service provider to actually fix a client’s problems instead of doing the mix and match.

That’s one of the reasons we’re extremely excited about our future. You know, we’ve been at this for a very long time. I’ve never been this excited, and I kid around with the team here is like, I couldn’t sleep before ’cause I had all kinds of problems and stuff. Now I can’t sleep ’cause I’m too excited. The future looks genuinely bright. We have a lot of contracts signed and just focused very much on execution, both operationally and technologically. We’ve got a lot of new technologies that we’re developing, and we’re gonna showcase some of that this Thursday.

These coming years are going to create literally a new kind of entity that’s never existed before, a managed service provider that can be the nation’s first Autonomous Security Force. With that, we got a bunch of questions in from a variety of folks, including our research analysts. Puru, if you wanna read off the first easy question, we can get on it.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Absolutely. All these questions are easy.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Excellent.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: The first one was basically, can you provide visibility on timing of supply chain issues clearing up? Basically, you know, are any supply chain disruptions anticipated due to the, you know, due to all the global conflicts happening across the Middle East and Europe?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I think there’s volatility prior in the system, still in the system, and I would forecast going forward, we’ll continue to have volatility. We need to better manage the volatility. Some of it has to do with tariffs, geopolitical instability, et cetera. Some of it has to do with an end-of-life component, and some of it has nothing to do with, "Hey, can you get the NVIDIA chip?" It’s the one specific resistor or button or what have you, that ties up the whole thing, and it’s not one strategic component. This continues to be a whack-a-mole kind of problem that we’re working through.

We have a supply chain manager and a team that’s proactively working the issue, so we’re starting to plan better, buy in advance, replace components out, you know, outright replace suppliers if needed. To be on a cautionary note, we’ve had our struggles. I think we can try to minimize the damage, but a lot of it is not necessarily directly in our control. We’re working through the problem. I don’t know if Apoorv, you had a different take on that.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: No, agreed, Bill. I think, you know, the volatility, you know, is driven primarily by macro events, and I think we’re doing a lot of things internally to mitigate as much as possible, right? The broader electronics market in particular continues to be volatile. There’s longer lead times, tighter availability in items like compute modules, networking hardware, memory, et cetera. So I think those are some things that are just outside of control or controlled directly.

We are putting in place a mitigation steps, so things like, you know, making sure we’re not relying on single source, expanding our relationships to multiple vendors, making sure that we identify items that have the highest risk, and making sure that we have enough of those in stock, which is an investment in inventory. There’s a lot we’re doing, and we’ve been able to learn over the last few months that we’re working through. I would say, you know, keeping supply chain and production in sync is important for us and we’ll continue to adjust as things progress.

We do expect that versus prior year, this year we’ll have slightly better, if not much better outcomes, as we continue to invest in supply chain and our relationships.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: All right. Next.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Next question was on the move. Is the move to Sunnyvale facility complete and up to operational efficiency?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Mostly done. We have a little bit of a challenging landlord situation with less flexibility than we want, but we’re working through it. One of the reasons we’re having this Autonomous Security Force day here is to showcase the progress that we’ve made since we’ve moved into the building. Still a lot more that we wanna complete, but things are looking pretty good. I will confess that some of us are nervous that we’re gonna run out of space a lot sooner than we were planning. That’s a good problem to have in the coming quarters.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Next one is on the recent acquisition. Following the Event Risk acquisition, can you give us an estimate of how much your potential market has expanded? Do you have an estimate around the new TAM?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I’ve been wanting to do an acquisition like this for five years. The TAM that we actually put in the investor presentation, if you haven’t seen the latest one, it’s at knightscope.com/america. That $230 billion there is the TAM that we’re going after and remains unchanged because this was kind of the overall plan. I think this all is an unlock or a catalyst for us to be able to go to market much more efficiently and much more aggressively. I think one of the enticing things that’s gonna happen in the coming quarters is just to see genuine accelerated growth versus the less than optimal growth that we’ve seen to date. The idea is to be able to maybe two different steps here.

One, we have existing clients between the acquisition and our legacy clients, and there’s a significant amount of opportunity to cross-sell technology or security agents back and forth. There’s that kind of literal synergy. Once that’s done, let’s go to market together in specific verticals for us to be able to again bring a total solution. The TAM doesn’t change the amount that we can go grab after the TAM, and we do it in accelerated fashion is I think dramatically increased. If you haven’t heard, we’re the team is well over 400 employees now, and we’re on a pretty serious pace of growth.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Yeah, I agree, Bill. I think you know, the way to think about it is not whether the TAM has increased, but more our ability to penetrate that and grab a larger piece of that market share faster is definitely accelerated. You know, we’ve talked about this in the past where we’ve said, you know, generally, you know, when there are RFPs and RFQs out for security guards only, we were, for example, you know, excluded from those because we don’t have guarding services. We don’t have humans. We’re only technology. When we would, you know, try to go after technology-only RFPs and RFQs, again, we didn’t have a full-on solution, so it kinda limited us a little bit.

Now with the acquisition and being able to go to market in a way that allows us to provide that fully managed services or fully managed security services, it just allows us to go to market faster.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Yeah. A little bit more context for those newer to that conversation. There are, I think, rough numbers, more than 6,000 guarding companies in the U.S. that maybe have more than 100 employees, plus or minus. Our friends over at Lake Street helped us vet, you know, the first 100, and we came across Event Risk and Eric Rose. A lot of special things about why we got so animated and excited.

Having a combination of a serious operator who’s been more than around the block has been able to work in large established guarding companies helped train the Navy SEALs, Marines, law enforcement and been able to grow and bootstrap an entire company onto himself with the team is an accomplishment in and of itself. If you add the growth, the continued double-digit growth that he’s been able to enjoy over the past few years is another important bullet point. Another one that’s very interesting, the industry’s 100%-400% employee turnover rates. The Knightscope Security Force is at 6%. Very laser-focused on recruiting the right people, providing them health benefits, providing them the appropriate training.

In our case, we’re gonna be adding a few more things. The board of directors kindly approved stock options for the entire team, so we can also attract more people and keep the people employed and engaged and have them be part of the winning solution here. We’re working on some new technologies to add to those security agents. In the future, you’ll be hearing us talk about ASAs or augmented security agents that really don’t exist today. That allows all of that combined with the stationary technology, the autonomous robotic technology, the augmented security agents, all having that data fed into our upcoming new Signals software platform and our remote monitoring team is gonna give us an unprecedented capability to properly secure a facility.

Our security analyst that’s remotely operating them now has machines to do things autonomously. They can escalate things to a different risk level to have some humans involved. Then there’s a response element, both armed and unarmed. That’s unprecedented in the industry. One of the reasons why we’re in good spirits and more than rather excited about the future.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Question on the sales forces and how we mesh them together. Two questions, and I’ll combine them here. What is the overall, you know, sales pipeline expected for the ASR, the ECD, and the Event Risk or now known as the Knightscope Security Force businesses? And then what is the timing around being able to sell Legacy Knightscope with the Knightscope Security Force services together?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I’m gonna want Wall Street, media, and our own team internally to really stop focusing on selling widgets. How many of these units did you sell? How many of this standard stationary device did you sell? What we really need to focus on is aggregate total revenue growth of providing an actual solution to our clients. That is the overall strategy for us to deliver a managed service provider and try to focus on fixing the client’s problem, improving outcomes, improving quality, improving service levels, and hopefully there’s some cost reductions in there for our client, depending on the location.

Overall manage this much better that’s being done today and not focused on did you sell an agent or 10 agents or 100 or 300 agents with that contract or did you sell? The important part is are we fixing the client’s problems? That is a bit different and why the change in strategy is to force that change in adoption that’s needed across the country. Most humans and most large organizations don’t wanna change. I told the Pentagon, DHS, and Congress the same thing. This whole country does not wanna change. Even when, you know, we’re sitting here, Silicon Valley is a bunch of engineers. Like, you hand them electricity, fire, and the internet in terms of AI, it’s like, "No, no, I’m good. I know what I’m doing." Like, I don’t know.

I think we need to find a different path to make those changes and give some relief to the Chief Security Officers. If you really put yourself in their shoes, in this day and age, it was different 30 years ago. When, you know, if you’re ex-law enforcement, ex-military, you’re here to secure a property, that’s kinda your go-to skill mix. This day and age, "Hey, you know, can you please talk to me about, you know, 4G and 5G versus Private LTE versus industrial Wi-Fi? And then I don’t know about the drone, and then is this cybersecurity compliant? But does the DoD accept the Impact Level 5, or is it a FedRAMP thing? And you want the robot to work with the guard." It’s just too much.

You’re asking a CSO to be the chief technology officer, the chief information officer, the chief information security officer, the head of facilities, purchasing, and everything else, and then we’re wondering why it’s not working and it costs too much money. I really want the whole team, external and internal, to be focused on top-line revenue and bottom-line profitability as we get there.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: From a modeling perspective, will you be breaking Event Risk into its own reporting line item, or will it be included within the services revenue? I can answer that one, Bill. Really, TBD, we’re assessing the right way to reflect the Knightscope Security Force revenues and line items in the business. Most likely though, we do consider it to be a service and we would wanna include that in the services line. However, there are some GAAP rules that we’re you know evaluating along with our auditors to make sure that we not only provide the right level of disclosures, but the right level of visibility as we go forth and draft up our 10-Qs and 10-Ks.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I think we missed part of the answer to the other question. The pipeline without-

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Yeah

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: ... sorry, is rather healthy, let’s put it that way. We’re intentionally focused on execution as primary drivers. Changing the recruiting profile of the team, setting the standards of the team differently, changing processes, figuring out appropriate uses of AI implementation for specific areas, building new technologies. Everything’s very much focused around execution because the pipeline’s rather healthy.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Absolutely. Next question is, will you be announcing the contracts of the Knightscope Security Force when they are won?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I think that’s also a TBD. As we mentioned during the sit down with Eric, if you haven’t seen the interview, go on our YouTube channel. We wanna take a thoughtful balance-of-the-year process to think through the branding, through IT, through HR, through finance, accounting, audit, technologies, et cetera, instead of rushing decisions. So that also applies to press releases, public relations, external affairs, government relations, and investor relations. Something we’ll ponder and think through as the company continues to mature as a premium managed service provider.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Next question kinda dovetails right into that, Bill. Can you provide a timeline for integration? How is the process so far? Are there any notable items to call out?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: This is probably my, I’ve lost track, 24th, 25th, or 26th acquisition. As I often say, doing the deal is the easy part for those that have been around the block. It may not seem that way for people that participate, but it is actually the easier part. The hard part is day one after you close the transaction. I will say it has gone a lot more smoothly than all of us expected. We have willing folks who want to work together who want to make changes, who need additional support and changes. As I just stated, the integration plan is to try to get everything sorted in a reasonable timeframe over the balance of the year.

In terms of priorities, let’s call it finance, accounting, audit, related stuff first. Probably dovetail HR and IT kinda the same time. Then the last is the go-to-market branding, marketing, and that sort of thing. We are planning to be at GSX in Atlanta in September, so that you’ll start getting a good more than a sneak peek then as to how the integration’s going.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Yeah. Yeah, Bill, I think, you know, being super deliberate in how we merge the two-

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Mm-hmm

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Organizations, primarily around culture, around go-to-market strategy, and obviously the backend support needed to support the growth of the combined organization are things that we’re looking at. From a timeline perspective, I think, you know, it will take a couple of quarters, if not more, for us to kinda get our hands around how we wanna move forward as a combined company. We are looking at internally some of the things we talked about, for example, finance first, just integrating the finance functions. Then looking at HR, IT, and then finally as we move into the client-focused or public-focused face of the combined company. Any outlook for any more M&A over the next year?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: We continue to look for accretive opportunities. Typically probably around two or three subjects. One is on the technology side. Again, living here in Silicon Valley, there’s always some interesting items that might be easier to buy than to build. We continue to look on the core, just core technology front. Those often may not be, you know, top-line revenue focus. It’s more the nugget of talent or technology that we want. Another would be on the remote monitoring side of things. We wanna continue to build up the RTX capabilities as we build out the security force. We’re actively looking there. I think the growth on the security force itself is, as I said, healthy.

I’m not sure we wanna do a bolt-on just yet, but we have a lot of activity going on. M&A open for business, but always wanna make sure it’s gonna be helpful for our shareholders and the overall growth of the company and be mindful and careful and make sure we get a good deal.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: Last question, Bill. What are some key milestones that investors should watch out for in 2026?

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: I can start. Maybe you wanna finish. I think the 10-Q that we file in the second quarter that will reflect part of the activity from the security force side of things would be in the following 10-Q and then the following 10-Q. I think keeping an eye on the regulatory filings starting mid-May would be important. Maybe there are folks in the audience that don’t realize this, but usually when you make an acquisition, there’s like this 71-day rule. I’m sure I’m gonna screw this up. Within 71 days you need to file the kinda overall impact. We’re working on that.

That’ll occur in the coming weeks, probably in the May timeframe. That to us is gonna be really important because that’ll show if the strategy is working or not. Is the company growing and heading towards profitability. Second, the technology, this all gets very exciting if you can have a pretty serious competitive advantage in a very large marketplace with capabilities that no one else can do. We probably wanna keep an eye on did the beta prototype testing actually occur in the second half of the year for the K7, which we’re spending a lot of time on.

When the board’s excited, the management team’s excited, the team’s excited, our suppliers and vendors are excited, and all the recruits that we’re hiring. Oh, by the way, go to knightscope.com/careers. We’ve got a lot of openings. They are all excited and dying to work on the K7. Like, hey, maybe we’re onto something. Keeping an eye on the K7 progress important. On the stationary side, we’re unveiling the K1 Capsule in K1 Super Tower here this Thursday. Progress there is important. And then also on the Signals platform. I think those three that we can publicly talk about are things to keep an eye on. Basically two answers to the question, like is Knightscope doing well or not?

Is the revenue going up, yes or no? Not based on press releases or anything else. I wanna see the regulatory filing. Are the numbers going up, yes or no? Are you making serious progress on technology development that’ll give us a sustainable competitive advantage? I think those probably should be the two key items to keep an eye on, unless Apoorv, you’ve got another one.

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: No, Bill. I think, you know, at the end of the day it comes out to, you know, improvements in execution, and how does that reflect in the company’s financials and the way we are perceived in the market and by our investors, and customers, and clients, and vendors. It’s really our ability to go out and, you know, grow revenue. With the combined company, we have a theory that this will actually accelerate this. You know, look out for the second half to see some of that proof. Obviously, product launches and commercialization of our new product development that the team is working really hard on, that’s gonna be important.

Overall, hopefully as we do these things the right way over the next few quarters, especially going into the latter half of 2026 and in 2027, we should see, you know, improvements across all of our P&L line items, both on the revenue side as well as the cost mitigation side. That’s gonna be the sum of all things we do from an execution perspective. If we do that right, it will show up in the financials.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Then I’ve gotten a lot of questions asynchronously here on hey what does Bill and Apoorv and Mercedes know about running a guarding business? Well, keep in mind that the idea and how we approach this is very similar to how a private equity firm would look at it, which is basically we wanna go buy a solid business that’s run by stellar management. We give them the tools and support and technology for them to grow and give them the autonomy frankly to be able to do that. We found that in Event Risk. The management team is very strong. They’ve been growing very quickly. The client retention rates are astronomically good. The employee retention rates are astronomically good.

We got real hitters that we’re betting on to continue to grow the business. What we’re gonna come with is technology that will ensure that it’s not a commodity staffing business of headcount the way it’s kind of the industry has been run today. We’re reimagining and rearchitecting how physical security gets delivered to a client. Our initial interactions with folks that are in the know or prospective clients who are in the pipeline, we know we’re on the right path. Our focus right now is just heads down on execution.

The balance of the year to just kind of wrap this up is you know focus on technology development, focus on growth, finish up the integration so that 2027, 2028, 2029 are hopefully some epic years for us. We’re in great spirits. The market, I think, is trying to understand what we just did, both on Wall Street and in the security industry. The proof’s gonna be in the pudding, and I’m betting on this team, and we’re highly confident that the future is bright. Apoorv, did you have any last remaining thoughts?

Apoorv S. Dwivedi, Chief Financial Officer, Knightscope: No, same, Bill. I echo both your sentiment and the team’s sentiment in that, you know, we have a lot to do, we have a lot going on and, you know, we just have to keep our heads down and focus.

William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO, Knightscope: Yeah. Lastly, I wanna publicly thank our board of directors and the management team for the support in doing this strategic acquisition. Again, I’ve been wanting to do this for half a decade and finally got the brave pill to do it, and now I’m just kicking myself that we didn’t do it five years earlier. This is going to be a lot of fun. Hopefully, for those of you that can join, we’ll see you Thursday night for our first annual Autonomous Security Force Day. Please be safe. Thanks, everybody.