CMCM November 26, 2025

Cheetah Mobile Q3 2025 Earnings Call - Turning the Corner with Profitability and AI-Driven Growth

Summary

Cheetah Mobile marked a notable milestone in Q3 2025, delivering operating profitability for the first time in six years, driven by a 50% year-over-year revenue surge. AI and related businesses, expanding rapidly with 151% growth and now representing half of total revenue, are laying the foundation for the company’s strategic transformation. Chairman Fu Sheng detailed the robust growth in voice-enabled wheel robots and robotic arms, highlighting improved product experiences powered by AI-driven AgentOS and endorsements like Google Cloud's featuring of their tech. Meanwhile, internet business remains a cash flow engine, though facing some advertising headwinds, offset by strong user-paid revenue growth. Management emphasized disciplined cost control, AI-enabled productivity gains, and a prudent balance between investment in AI initiatives and profitability. They also stressed the evolving market acceptance of voice-interactive robots moving from nice-to-have to must-have, driven by advances in generative AI and multilingual large language models. The company is cautiously exploring capital returns but prioritizes reinvestment to fuel innovation and long-term growth. No imminent plans for secondary listings or spin-offs were announced, though strategic M&A and ecosystem integration remain priorities.

Key Takeaways

  • Cheetah Mobile reported its first quarterly operating profit in six years, with RMB 4 million operating profit in Q3 2025 and RMB 50 million on a non-GAAP basis.
  • Q3 2025 total revenue surged 50% year-over-year to RMB 287 million, driven by 151% growth in AI and other segments representing 50% of total revenue this quarter.
  • Voice-enabled wheel robots doubled revenue year-over-year for the second consecutive quarter, now constituting about 5% of total revenues, with contract backlog doubling since Q3 quarter-end, indicating strong sustained demand.
  • Robotic arm business, boosted by acquisition, is profitable with stable overseas growth; focuses on collaborative, safe robotic arms serving manufacturing and commercial service sectors.
  • The AI tools segment is leveraging internal legacy products like Kingsoft Antivirus by integrating AI agents, enabling natural language interaction and task automation, showing promising user engagement and monetization potential.
  • Leveraging third-party AI models, notably Google’s Gemini 2.5 Flash and open-source tools, accelerates product iteration and cost efficiency, enabling rapid innovation in robot intelligence and AI tools.
  • Internet business remains profitable and stable, with user-paid revenue growing over 10% year-over-year in Q4, offsetting continued advertising revenue pressures.
  • Management emphasizes a strategic balance: maintaining internet business profitability as baseline while aggressively controlling losses and driving efficiency in AI initiatives to scale sustainably.
  • Market acceptance for voice-interactive robots is improving markedly, transitioning from optional to essential owing to significant AI-driven advancements in natural language understanding and multilingual support.
  • Company plans continued investments in AI robotics and tools, with no concrete profit targets disclosed yet, prioritizing capture of AI market opportunities while keeping costs disciplined.
  • No immediate plans for Hong Kong secondary listing or robotics spin-off; capital allocation remains focused on scaling AI growth and pursuing M&A that enhance strategic synergy.
  • Despite initial profitability, no current decisions on dividends or share buybacks; management prioritizes reinvestment in AI robotics and innovation to build long-term shareholder value.

Full Transcript

Conference Operator: Good day, and welcome to the Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note today’s event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Helen, Investor Relations for Cheetah Mobile. Please go ahead, Helen.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you, Operator. Welcome to Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. With us today, our company’s Chairman and CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng, and our company’s Director and CFO, Mr. Thomas Jen. Following Management’s prepared remarks, we’ll welcome back the Q&A section. Please note the Management’s remarks will be presented by an AI agent. Before we begin, I refer you to the Safe Harbor Statements in our earnings release, which also applies to our conference call today, as we will make forward-looking statements. At this time, I will now turn the conference call over to our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Fu Sheng. Fu Sheng, please go ahead.

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining Cheetah Mobile Third Quarter 2025 earnings call. I’m Fu Sheng, the CEO of Cheetah Mobile. I’m very happy to report that our turnaround efforts are paying off. We hit quarterly break even ahead of expectations. In Q3, we made an operating profit for the first time in six years. We believe we are well-positioned to approach break-even for the full year 2025. At the same time, our growth stayed strong in Q3, building on the momentum from the first half of the year. Q3 revenue rose 50% year-over-year, driven by both our internet business and our AI and other businesses. Our AI and other segments grew even faster, up 151% year-over-year and 6% quarter-over-quarter, and now representing 50% of total revenues. So far, 2025 has been a solid year for Cheetah. Revenue in the first nine months rose around 48%. We became profitable in Q3 and took important steps in our two AI-focused areas: AI robots and AI tools. We believe this progress shows our investors were right to trust our vision and work. I want to thank our shareholders for their support. I know many of you invested in Cheetah because you believe in our ability to deliver a comeback. We are working hard every day to make that happen. I remain fully committed to leading the company forward, and our results this year show that the turnaround is real. Looking ahead, we will focus on driving growth by building new growth engines through our AI initiatives, AI robots, and AI tools. Today, I will talk about our vision and progress in these areas. Thomas will follow with more on how we are building a lean cost structure to support long-term profitability. Both AI robots and AI tools have enormous market potential, and Cheetah Mobile has strong advantages to build new growth engines in these areas. Additionally, we hold minority investments in several companies in this space, which could extend our organic growth in the future. In Q3, our AI robotic business contributed about 15% of total revenue, growing about 100% year-over-year and 40% quarter-over-quarter. We see two drivers of this growth. First, strong demand for our voice-enabled wheel robots in China. In Q3, for the second quarter in a row, revenue from these robots doubled year-over-year. They now make up around 5% of our total revenues, supported by both repeat orders and new wins. As of September 30, 2025, the contract backlog for these robots in China was up 32% from the previous quarter. Since then, the backlog has doubled again, reflecting sustained demand. These trends make us comfortable for continued strong year-over-year growth in our revenue from these robots in the fourth quarter. Why is demand rising? First, more customers are open to using robots, and today, wheel robots are the most reliable and cost-effective option for large-scale deployment. More importantly, product experience is getting better. AgentOS, our voice system powered by AI agents, gives our robots a smarter brain to understand and respond more naturally to people. That improved experience allows us to charge a premium even in a competitive market, but most of our revenue growth came from higher shipment volume. We believe AgentOS not only enhances user experience but also strengthens our leadership in voice-enabled robots. Our voice-enabled wheel robot, which integrated with Google’s Gemini 2.5 Flash, was recently featured by Google Cloud at its AI Asia conference. We believe this is a strong sign of endorsement. We are continuously upgrading our AI agent capability and applying it to our products. Looking forward, we think these robots can do even better overseas as we combine third-party GenAI and multimodal models with our strengths in voice AI and autonomous mobility to drive real-world applications. Second, our robotic...

Conference Operator: Pardon the interruption, everybody. This is the conference operator. It looks like we’ve lost the main speaker connection. I’m going to play some hold music in the call, and we’ll get them connected again. Please stand by. Thank you for holding, everyone. This is the operator. I’ve reconnected the main speaker line. Please proceed with your call.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Hello, everybody. This is Helen from Cheetah Mobile. I think there are some tech issues, so we’re told that please connect us. I would just read the CEO’s prepared remarks. Very sorry for the inconvenience.

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: Good day, everyone. And of this growth. First, strong demand for our voice-enabled wheel robots in China. In Q3, for the second quarter in a row, revenue from these robots doubled year-over-year. They now make up around 5% of our total revenues, supported by both repeat orders and new wins. As of September 30, 2025, the contract backlog for these robots in China was up 32% from the previous quarter. Since then, the backlog has doubled again, reflecting sustained demand. These trends make us comfortable for a continued strong year-over-year growth in our revenue from these robots in the fourth quarter. Why is demand rising? First, more customers are open to using robots, and today, wheel robots are the most reliable and cost-effective option for large-scale deployment. More importantly, product experience is getting better. AgentOS, our voice system powered by AI agents, gives our robots a smarter brain to understand and respond more naturally to people. That improved experience allows us to charge a premium even in a competitive market, but most of our revenue growth came from higher shipment volume. We believe AgentOS not only enhances user experience but also strengthens our leadership in voice-enabled robots. Our voice-enabled wheel robot, which integrated with Google’s Gemini 2.5 Flash, was recently featured by Google Cloud at its AI Asia conference. We believe this is a strong sign of endorsement. We are continuously upgrading our AI agent capability and applying it to our products. Looking forward, we think these robots can do even better overseas as we combine third-party GenAI and multimodal models with our strengths in voice AI and autonomous mobility to drive real-world applications. Second, our robotic arm business is growing steadily, supported by three key industry trends. Number one, in manufacturing, collaborative robotic arms are becoming more and more popular because they’re smaller, easier to install, and more affordable. They’re also safer to work with, so they help fill many unmet needs in factories, like doing tasks that need flexible movement, careful and precise work, or real-time feedback. These tasks now rely on human workers today. Number two, in commercial spaces like coffee shops and smart retail, because of advances in lightweight design and easy programming and built-in vision of feedback, we’re unlocking new use cases. Our team’s ability to understand real-world needs and build practical products gives us an edge. Number three, robotic arms are a core part of embodied AI. As global demand for physical AI grows, we believe robotic arms will play a key role in bringing AI into the real world. We strengthen our robotic arm business through an acquisition demonstrating our strategy of combining organic growth with M&A. This business is a great fit for us. It is already profitable with tens of millions of R&D and annual revenue, most of it from overseas customers. By bringing this company into our group, we’ve expanded our product line and strengthened our presence in global markets. More importantly, we started testing how to combine our wheel robots with robotic arms to create embodied AI that can handle more complex real-world tasks. It’s still in early days, but our solid foundation in both technology and product development puts us in a strong position to grow in this space in the long run. Moving on to AI tools, this is another area where we see long-term potential. We’re using AI agents to quickly build a variety of new tools for both PC and mobile, and we’re also upgrading some of our existing products with AI features. For example, in one of our legacy products, Huba Antivirus, our users can now interact with their PC through natural language to complete tasks like system settings. No need for complex manual steps. In small-scale testing of other tools like meeting summarizers, we’ve also seen strong user engagement and good willingness to pay. What makes this space exciting is that AI coding apps have greatly reduced the time and cost it takes to build and launch new products. This gives us the flexibility to test many ideas quickly and focus on what works. While we’re still in the early stages, we believe our strength in building user-friendly, tool-based apps, especially with the help of AI agents, puts us in a good position. Since subscriptions already make up more than 60% of our internet revenue, we’re confident in our ability to monetize future products through the same model. To close, I believe Cheetah has moved beyond the turnaround phase. Looking ahead, our focus is on building long-term value by scaling our AI robot business and capturing the upside of AI-native tools. While we’re still early, both segments have real momentum and strong potential to drive growth in the years to come.

Conference Operator: Thank you, Husha. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. On the satellite stadium, all financial figures are presented in RMB. In the third quarter of 2024, we are pleased to reach an important milestone. We reported our first quarterly operating profit in the past six years. This achievement reflects the disciplined execution of our teams and the continued improvement in our operational efficiency. Operating profit was RMB 4 million in the quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, operating profit reached RMB 50 million, compared with an operating loss of RMB 60 million in the same period last year and an operating loss of RMB 2 million in the previous quarter. Let me walk you through the key financial results in the quarter. Total revenue reached RMB 287 million, up 50% year-over-year, driven by a 151% growth in our AI and other segments. These segments accounted for 50% of total revenue, compared with 30% in the same period last year. Our internet business remained stable, with revenue increasing 6% year-over-year in Q3. Gross profit increased by 64% year-over-year, and gross margin improved to 75%, up from 68% in the year-over-year quarter. Operating profit improved to RMB 4 million, compared with an operating loss of RMB 72 million a year ago. On a non-GAAP basis, operating profit was RMB 50 million, compared with an operating loss of RMB 60 million last year. By segment, our internet business delivered approximately RMB 21 million in adjusted operating profit in this quarter, up 55% year-over-year. Adjusted operating loss for our AI and other segments narrowed by 82% year-over-year, and 53% quarter-over-quarter to RMB 15 million in this quarter. On the balance sheet side, our financial position remained strong. As of September 30th, 2024, the company has cash and cash equivalents of about $224 million and long-term investments of $107 million. We continue to maintain discipline in cash flow management and capital allocation. Looking ahead for our internet business, we will continue to deliver robust operating profits. We want to be clear that we prioritize operating profit growth over revenue growth. For our AI and other business, we also aim to further manage our costs and expenses through a more focused and efficient approach. First, we are focusing on high-potential use cases for our robotic business, as it is the only way to build sustainable and profitable business models. We concentrate on AI-powered voice-enabled service robots, products that have proved to deliver a highly competitive ROI, particularly in alternatives for reception, museum and exhibition scenarios. Second, we leverage third-party and open-source models and tools to enhance our robot experience. This approach allows us to accelerate product updates, thereby increasing our overall efficiency. Third, for our advertising agency service and multi-cloud management services, we are taking a more disciplined approach, strengthening cost control, deliverables, and customer value to better manage our costs and expenses. Overall, at the corporate level, we will continue to invest in AI robots and AI tools, as we believe these two areas will drive our long-term revenue growth. However, we will stay disciplined and ROI focused in every decision. I believe Cheetah has entered a much better phase compared with a year ago in product development. As we shared in previous calls, we encourage our employees to use AI tools, such as AI coding apps, to build their own AI, not only to improve productivity but also to enhance decision-making. Leveraging AI allows us to develop products faster and operate them with fewer people than before. Most importantly, with the AI opportunity, the business improvements we have achieved over the past year, ongoing recognition from the capital market, we are seeing renewed confidence and momentum across our teams. I personally believe these changes: stronger execution, disciplined investments, improved efficiency, and an inspired team form the foundation for Cheetah to achieve its success in this new chapter. Thank you. We are now happy to take your questions.

Operator: Thank you.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Yes.

Operator: We will now begin.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Yes.

Operator: Yes, ma’am.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: People are.

Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. If your question has been addressed and you’d like to remove yourself from queue, please press star then two. We’ll pause for just a moment to assemble our roster. Our first question today comes from Thomas Zhang at Jefferies. Please go ahead.

我们刚好现在关于长线收入的提问。我们注意到机器人业务在Q3的收入同比增长接近100%,占比大概是15%。国内语音机器人与机械臂是当前两大核心的增长点。我们应该如何理解他们所面向的市场的空间?哪些是刚需?哪些是可选型的场景?客户接受度如何?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 谢谢Jefferies的提问,Thomas。我来回答这个问题。我觉得今天机器人,今天电报机器人随着这么多年的投入,已经越来越清晰地找到自己的定位。一个就是语音交互类的机器人,一个就是我们刚刚收购的机械臂。其实它本质上是一个协作臂的机器人。而这两个市场其实都有非常广阔的发展前景。 你刚问的哪些是刚需,哪些是可选的场景?其实机械臂大家可能听起来都会比较了解,就是说它应用比较多。但是我们收购的重围机械臂,它更多的不是像纯工业场景,它更多的是在很多服务类的场景,很多探索新增的场景里面,它有它自己的市场定位。现在看起来机械臂的市场在海外的增长是相对比较快的,而且我们的机械臂业务在投入其实并不多的情况下,实现了非常稳定的、稳固的海外市场的增长和较好的利润。我觉得这是一个,如果说是刚需市场的话,机械臂的这种六轴七轴的这种协作臂的市场会是一个非常固定的刚需市场。 第二个就是语音交互机器人。坦率讲,语音交互机器人在最早的时候,由于AI技术还不够达到真正理解语言这件事,所以在前几年的市场的规模一直不大,增长也很少。但从今年开始,我们看到由于GPT类大模型技术带来的交互能力的突飞猛进,所以我现在认为语音交互机器人已经开始从一个可选场景开始向刚需场景在迈进了,因为它已经在有些场景下可以达到人的交互水平和体验的时候。所以可以看到今年不仅是我们一家在增长,我们可以看到整个市场,包括我们的对手都在增长。这个的确是一个市场在增长,并不是单一的我们单家的增长。所以我认为这个市场正在走向一个刚需型市场。 当然了,它的市场规模现在还不是特别大,但是我相信随着体验的不断提升,其实有的时候就是这样,当你的体验不够好的时候,它就一直是一个非刚需市场。当体验超过用户的使用的那种阈值的时候,临界值的时候,它就是个刚需市场。你像语音、电话、拨号都出现很多年了,但直到GPT类的出现以后,语音助手或者Alexa这样的东西,AI出现以后才真正的开始变成刚需。所以我们对明年,尤其是未来的整个的发展还是非常看好的。所以2026年,我们相信我们无论是机械臂还是语音交互机器人都会增长。 而且市场空间我再补一点,由于大语言模型的能力的增强,实际上以前的语音机器人,我们做中文就很难去做英语,跨语言难度其实挺高的,主要是它的工作量比较大,在各地的各个语言的这种适配难度挺高的。但现在由于有了大语言模型,实际上它本身就是个天然的翻译家,它就是多门语言都很通顺。所以我认为明年我们的语音交互机器人在海外也会有更好的市场空间。现在的客户接受度整体来说比过去是要已经好多了。而且我相信随着产品的,我还是坚信产品的体验是增长的核心的动力。随着我们不断地去在增长体验,客户接受度也是越来越高。好,谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Operator, please move to the next question. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from Vicky Wei at Citi. Please go ahead.

管理层晚上好,谢谢接受我的提问。恭喜公司新季度实现盈利。我们知道公司在AI业务上还布局两大方向:AI机器人和AI工具应用。中长期公司如何平衡继续投资AI业务和保持盈利之间的关系?在成本结构上是否还有进一步优化的空间?我们有没有设定中长期的盈利目标?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 好,谢谢Vicky的提问。我是Thomas,我先回答这个问题,然后再看副总有没有补充。关于展望中长期公司能否持续盈利,我觉得还是会受到包括很多外部的因素,包括市场的环境、产品迭代的速度,还有用户体验和用户的反馈各方面因素的影响。但是对于公司内部如何去平衡继续投资AI和保持盈利,还有成本控制空间,我们内部对于两个业务线的策略是比较清晰的。第一就是确保互联网业务可以提供稳定的盈利的基本盘。第二是在AI和其他业务上做到控亏增效。假设不投入其他新业务前提下,努力地去收窄亏损。 展开来说一点,在互联网业务上,因为是我们的现金流业务,我们的目标不仅是保持盈利,更是要通过精细化的运营提升盈利的能力。具体从两个维度讲,一个是更精细的成本和费用的管理,我们将持续地优化各方面的成本,包括服务器、带宽、运营开支等等。通过技术的升级和流程效率的提升,确保我们每一分投入都产生最大价值,把运营的利润率稳定在一个健康的水平。第二个方面是持续的一个产品的优化和AI的赋能。我们把AI的技术融入我们的已有的互联网产品中,用于去改善用户的体验,提升分发效率,然后个性化的服务水平。通过更好的用户体验,希望可以转化为更多的用户的粘性和付费意愿,从而去驱动收入的健康增长。所以对互联网业务来说,我们就是通过一个降本,还有一个增收这两条腿走路,为我们继续稳定地输出利润。 第二条业务线的AI和其他业务,我们先看机器人。机器人业务的策略,我们也比较明确,一个是聚焦,一个是提升效率。在产品形态上,我们会聚焦高潜力的产品形态,把资源集中在像语音机器人这样能够跑通商业回报模型的产品上。我们已经看到它在接待、展厅、博物馆等场景证明了它的ROI,我们也会重点去拓展这些已经验证的赛道,确保投入能够带来实在的回报。在技术的路径上,我们会灵活地结合开源模型、第三方模型和各种开源的工具,利用现有的成熟的资源降低我们的研发和计算成本,这样能够让我们更快速、经济地去迭代和提升机器人的产品的体验和能力。 另外,在AI和其他业务里,除了机器人业务之外,我们还有云服务和广告代理业务。像这种需要精细化运营的to B业务,我们就会去重点关注,比如合同质量、交付效率和给客户带来价值。通过这些手段,希望可以稳步地提升这些业务的毛利率和净利率。另外,刚才我们在讲稿里也讲到了我们公司其实在内部,在各条业务线其实在鼓励全员使用AI工具。我们希望在未来也可以给我们带来在各条业务线效率的提升和研发成本的一个降低。 我补充一下,首先就是在成本结构上肯定还有进一步优化的空间。我觉得今天优化的最大的抓手不是来自于管理手段,而是来自于技术手段。就是刚才Thomas讲的,我们在全员是真的推行全员编程,全员写程序,连Thomas都写代码,对吧?这个当然不是为了让他给我们贡献这些产品,而是让这种方式让我们的AI来提升我们的工作效率,这个事情在方方面面得到渗透。我们今天还刚刚发了一个我们的财报视频,整个也是AI做的,3D,以前要3D渲染才能做的技术也用AI做。所以我们觉得我们在这条路上应该走的还是比较早,而且也确实见到了效果。但是我觉得还会有进一步的空间。这个成本是一方面,另一方面就是它极大地会加快我们的研发的效率。就是你刚刚问的,比如说在盈利和业务投资之间,我们觉得在内部的研发的效率上,我们会比以前要提高很多。我们对新产品的研发的成本其实会比以前会低很多。所以这样给我们更多的机会去尝试。因为今天AI崭新的时代,到底什么能成,说实话也没有谁真的知道。但是对于我们来说,我们的尝试成本比以前会低多了。我想应该不会再出现像过去那种被集中投入很多研发费用去做一款产品这样的一个时代了。所以这个是肯定能够有优化空间的。 当然另一个方面就是我们并不觉得我们现在去以利润为核心是我们的主要诉求。因为我们如果看到了好的AI的机会,包括我们的机器人的市场如果已经不断地被市场证明它的高速成长的话,我们可能也会增加一些投入,对吧?当然我们会平衡好这样的关系,就是既保证公司的持续发展,安全持续发展,又能够去在新的机会上能够去抓住一些。我想这就是我们整个的经营策略,就是稳健当中去求创新。大概这就是我们的目前的目标。所以我们现在没有一个,你问的就是特别具体的所谓数字化的盈利目标。因为我们觉得现在在AI上的机会还很多。所以这是我们现在的观点。谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you, Operator. Please move to the next question.

Operator: Absolutely. Our next question comes from Lydia Lin at Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

管理层好,我的问题是,电报我们看到机器臂的业务在行业收入排名中相对比较靠后,但是却有相对很不错的盈利能力。想请教一下,就是咱们公司的这一块的核心的竞争优势是在哪里?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 我回答吧。因为我们收购的机械臂业务现在已经成了我们一部分,就是我们最早是很早去投资的这么一家公司,所以它整个经营策略上当时就跟我们有非常多的沟通。我觉得我们之所以去当时收购,本质上就是因为机械臂业务是非常务实的。我并不是在追求规模,而是在追求利润,就是从应该说最早开始就是在追求真正有利润的客户,而不是为了简单的追求规模,然后什么不断去融资这样的方式。 所以它就几个特点。第一个特点就是它以海外收入为主,它是中国机械臂最早出海的客户。第二个,因为它是出海客户,所以它在事实上它在海外的无论是渠道还是社区上都会有一定的积累。这个积累实际上是需要时间去夯实的。你在海外建立起来信誉和品牌,它不是一个简单的靠降价就能实现的。所以当然第三个就是说,由于选择了这样的优质客户,所以在质量上是非常重视的,真的是一点点打磨出来的。因为机械臂本质上还是个偏硬件类产品,它有太多的这种细节要去打磨了。质量的这种提升是一点一点去,相当于是花精力去把它做出来的,而不是简单的一个设计图就能完成的。 所以这就是为什么它能够去保证非常好的利润率,而且持续地增长。我觉得最核心的竞争优势,真要讲竞争优势,第一个就是特别以客户为中心的一个相当于组织文化。然后第二个就是由于起步较早,所以在海外的整个的渠道还有用户口碑都建立起来了。所以只要在这个方向上不断地去夯实,然后再结合最新的技术,实现快速的迭代,我想这个应该就是这个优势可以长期保持。好,谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you, Operator. Please move to the next question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Zheng Huang with Everbright Securities. Please go ahead.

副总,原告,Helen总,晚上好。我是光大海外的黄峥。我现在的公司取得了非常亮眼的业绩。我这边的问题是,也看到公司其实在机身智能方向有一些布局。不知道能不能请公司管理层对于一些进展或者说明后年在机身智能这方面有重点投入的方向,能跟我们有一些分享。还有就是不知道能不能帮我们展望一下,包括因为轮式机器人跟我们现在收购的机械臂可能会有一些新的,比如说廉价币的这种解决方案的场景,这些未来会不会有一些高价值的场景去进行拓展。谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 好吧,反正区生智能我一直觉得是一个挺大的概念。我认为所有和摄像头运动结合起来都可以叫区生智能,也没有一个特别明确的定义。应该来说我们对这方面一直是保持着足够的关注并且实践。但是大概你也知道我的观点,我一直认为纯人形的机器人在商业上落地还有很长的路要走。但是轮子加臂的这种应用形态,我相信应该会比人形的更早地迎来商业上落地的机会。但是今天大语言模型或者今天的AI,我并不认为这个软件技术已经能够达到刚才讲这种产品形式的真正的大规模商业落地的时间点。所以我们现在的策略就是把两者分开。如果去GitHub上看,作为一个机械臂在一些开源社区的支持,包括一些AI支持上做的都是不错的,我们机械臂。我希望可能我们会在这个臂上加视觉这样的方案,更多地跟我们客户一起去摸索这里面的落地途径。再一个就是刚刚讲的我们轮式的机器人。至于说它们两者的结合,我觉得还是要根据场景来。因为这里面有非常多的小的技术细节,不在这里去讲了,因为展开了可以讲很久。比如说你的臂装在这个机器上有它的载重问题,它的电池的续航问题,它在不同场景下的空间的伸展问题,这样都不是那么简单的一个很好的方案。应该说我们目前这个机器人应该会是明年我们很重点的一个,相当于战略制高点。这肯定是我们要投入大的精力的。但是具体的产品形态,我们现在还在一些相当于内部的探索过程中,没有一个特别明确的所谓叫轮子加臂的组合的产品形态。内部的实验项目倒是有,但是目前是没有推向市场的计划。好,谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you, Operator. Please move to the next question.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Alicia Xu with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

好,谢谢管理层接受我的提问。我这边主要一个问题就是,我们看到公司的语音机器人已经跟Google的大模型集成了。那未来的话,会不会计划跟更多的大模型生态去合作?那我们怎么看这个对于公司推动全球市场的拓展的机会?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 好的,谢谢。就是我们今天来说,在整个大模型就这么在海外能选择就这么几家,就是谷歌,对吧?然后OpenAI,还有其他的几家。就是我们之所以集成,我觉得现在看起来就是谷歌的这个,有个词叫端到端,就语音到最后的这个出的这个答案上端到端的效果,今天谷歌的确是全球领先的。这也是我们和它合作的一个很重要的原因。当然谷歌也非常欢迎,我们也参加了它的一些峰会什么的。我觉得这个由于大模型的能力的这种快速的演进,使得语音交互的这种能力也是突飞猛进的。刚才我已经说过了,就是在以前我们,就比如说我们在去年之前的海外的机器人,我们语音功能都不开的。因为这里面要做好,真正做到一个达到用户体验的交互能力,其实要做的事情非常多,无论是多语种,还有什么,我讲一些技术点。但现在由于有了像谷歌这样的这种大语言模型,它多语言能力,然后语音直接到达案端的端到端,都为我们提前交互能力提升,提供了非常好的一个叫基础的一个平台。所以我一直认为就是明年开始,就整个无论是机器人还是各种AI的应用都是一个爆发的时候。因为我觉得大模型能力真的到了一个可以商用的这么一个程度了。我们当然未来也是保持非常开放的心态,就看全球有什么好的模型我们就用。因为我们把我们定义成是一个AI应用公司,无论是软的应用还是机器人应用。刚才我也说过了,我觉得这个合作会非常有利于我们全球市场的拓展。我们现在在多种语言的能力上已经比以前提高了很多,很快也会在全球开始拓展。谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Of course. Our next question comes from Zheng Zhao with ICBC International. Please go ahead.

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 管理层你好,感谢给我这个提问机会。然后我这边想问一下,公司在AI工具产品是否有计划打造一个单一爆款,还是形成一个多产品组合?假设在没有爆款的早期阶段的话,公司是否有一套机制或者说方向来帮助突破这个瓶颈?谢谢。 好的,谢谢你这个问题。我觉得做AI工具,尤其软件工具的所有人的梦想都是打造爆款。但是说实话,客观讲就爆款没有那么容易。因为全世界能够产生爆款的也就那么几款,然后公司有一大堆。所以我们觉得针对我们公司的现状,最切实的一个方法是什么呢?我们现在采取的方法就是说,我们先把我们已经有的产品的AI化给做好。其实两部分,一部分就刚刚讲的内部用AI的编程工具去提高我们的生产效率,这样使得我们在真正尝试一些AI产品的时候,成本大幅度下降,迭代周期大幅度缩短。然后另一方面就是我们更务实,就是我们把原来的产品给AI化,包括像我们的金山毒霸这款产品已经有20多年历史了。这个为用户解决电脑问题,对吧?以前都是一些按钮,现在我们把它变成了一个交互的。就你电脑有什么问题,你直接跟它说一句话,比如说我的鼠标不能动了怎么办?或者我这个电脑不休眠了怎么办?它会直接地不是给你一个文字提示,而是直接地给你把这个问题解决掉。它会在你的电脑里面给你进行诊断,甚至去写一段代码帮你解决掉。这个我们已经开始上线了,用了以后用户的体验是相当不错的。所以这就是我们把原来的产品给AI化。在这个过程中,一方面就是使得我们原来产品的留存、用户口碑去提升,另一方面让我们团队自己对所谓的agent,到底什么是agent,用户接受怎么样的agent,这个会有一个很好的认知。这样也为打造爆款,因为打爆款本质上还是你团队的研发能力。这个去走到AI时代,对吧?提供一个锻炼的土壤。刚刚讲的是毒霸,对吧?我们还有像PDF软件,像桌面壁纸,这些都加入了很多的AI agent的元素。所以重复一下我刚才说的,就是我觉得AI工具产品,我们就是第一就是把已经有的用户、已经有的产品,这些产品我们可能也现在也有上亿的用户,把它给AI化,通过这个AI本身去使原来的产品提高体验、提高效率,去更好地获客。然后另一方面就是通过这样的练兵,让团队有更多的AI思维,那么希望能够去尝试出在新的产品方向上尝试出爆款。当然这个尝试出爆款的这个也是,就你刚刚问的,也是我们也是通过这个小团队,比如以前可能做个APP,现在已经到了十来个人的规模,我们现在可能两三个人就会去做一些尝试,然后分成几个小组,目前也有一些在内部的尝试,寄希望于不断的尝试,也许能够找出更好的爆款的可能性。好,谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Absolutely. Our next question today comes from Joanna Ma with CNBC. Please go ahead.

各位晚上好,感谢接受我的提问。我这个问题是想请教一下Thomas,就是公司是如何展望这个四季度互联网的收入跟经营利润呢?因为我们也理解公司一直是定位互联网是公司稳定的现金流业务,能否请您量化一下这个四季度的趋势呢?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 好,谢谢Joanna的提问。关于我们四季度互联网业务,我们预计在第四季度从收入和利润的层面,互联网业务的绝对值基本上会保持在和第三季度相当的水平。当然这也意味着和去年的同期相比,我们预计互联网收入在第四季度会出现一定程度的同比下降,主要是由于其中广告类的产品持续受到宏观经济环境的压力,表现不达预期。但是互联网业务内部结构性优化的趋势也是非常明确的。与广告收入的疲软形成鲜明对比,我们用户付费的收入预计继续会保持强劲的增长,在Q4预计同比也会超过10%几的增长趋势。这一增长的动力也反映在收入构成的基本性变化。刚刚过去第三季度用户付费收入已经占据我们互联网总收入的大概70%,也为我们互联网业务的稳定性和盈利能力提供了核心的支撑。尽管互联网业务在第四季度可能出现同比的下滑,但我还要强调的是,我们整个猎豹移动的收入结构发生了比较大的转变,我们AI和其他业务收入在第三季度占比达到将近50%。综合来看,我们预计2025年第四季度整体的总收入仍将实现同比的增长,也表明我们向AI驱动的战略转型正在有效地抵消传统业务的市场波动,成为我们新的增长引擎。谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Yes, ma’am. Our next question comes from Jing Wan with CICC. Please go ahead.

管理层晚上好,感谢接受我的提问。我的问题是有关于AI工具的,就是了解到公司正在快速开发AI工具和相关的功能,想了解一下目前哪些产品方向用户的反馈比较好一些。同时展望未来的话,计划重点发力哪些类型的AI工具?谢谢。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 好,刚刚其实我已经说过了,我们今天AI工具我们更多的是立足于现有的产品,把它AI化。刚才讲了一个像金山毒霸这样的产品,这么多年了,我们把它变成了一个能够根据你的电脑的情况和你产生的问题去自动帮你解决的,就像一个真正的电脑的维修人员一样帮你。当然软问题,硬件坏了只会告诉你可能是硬件坏了,软问题能帮你解决。现在看起来这个反馈是不错的,它的无论是使用率,还有用户的满意度都还是很高的。就是一些具体数据,就是可以到这个水平吧,就以前我们用人工去帮用户解决满意度,和AI去解决已经基本快接近了,还差一点,但已经比较接近了。而以前人工解决是一个纯付费的业务。 然后我们还有一些再举个例子,比如像我们有一款叫壁纸类的产品,以前用户只能去网上去下载这些做好的壁纸,但现在我们可以用AI去帮助用户去生成壁纸,这个效果也非常不错。当然这些功能其实得讲,它还受制于一些,比如说你生成一个壁纸,它的视频的token还挺贵的,就现在还得几元钱的成本,但是用户的反馈效果都挺好的。所以这都是我们在做的方向。 未来哪些类型的AI工具呢?我们现在会觉得就是我们会向提高用户,还是比如说生产效率,或者叫使用电脑的效率上的这么一个方向。比如今天的毒霸这种安全软件,以前叫安全软件,杀病毒的,但现在更多是帮用户去解决电脑使用中的问题,对吧?它以前解决个问题可能去找人什么的,但现在通过这个AI助手就能帮你解决掉,就是提高它的使用电脑的效率。还有我们类似于PDF的软件,能够去帮它解决在生成文档或者甚至读书方面的一些效率。总的来说,大的方向是往这个方向在走,就是使用和使用电脑和把电脑作为生产工具的效率提升的方面。这是我们大致的方向。好,谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Nguyễn Thanh Giang from CLAN Securities. Please go ahead.

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 你好,管理层你好,请问可以听到吗?

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: 可以。

听到。

Fu Sheng, Chairman and CEO, Cheetah Mobile: 喂。好的,就是随着公司开始盈利,请问是否会开始对市场进行一些现金分红和股票的一个回购,然后去增加一下投资人信心和确定性?谢谢。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: 我来回答这个问题,感谢您的提问。我想我们如果猎豹可以进入一个长期稳定的盈利阶段,我们肯定会开始考虑并且去规划怎么样回馈股东,增强市场的信心。有可能现在方向是如果我们实现一个持续盈利后,会考虑拿出一部分利润来做股东回报计划。但是站在现在这个时点,我想说的是,因为我们其实在这个季度才刚刚开始盈利,我们内部其实还没有对类似分红或者回购进行一个系统性的详细研究。我认为让财务业绩的稳定性再经过一段时间的观察和验证,应该是对股东更负责任的做法。 另外我们其实之前也多次讲过,我们核心的战略目标是成为一个高成长的公司,我们相信机器人是猎豹以后未来长期价值的核心,也是投资者关注我们的重点。我们现在的机器人业务还在一个投入期,还没有实现机器人业务的盈利。而且我们也不排除未来会遇到类似仲维这样的优秀的投资或者合作机会,或者是在AI机器人相关的产业上做一些新产品的研发投入。这些都需要我们要有充足的资金来支持未来的创新和增长。 所以在平衡高成长的投入和股东回报方面,我们会采取一个比较谨慎的态度,确保我们有充足的资源去驱动机器人等核心业务发展的前提下,当时机成熟时,我们会把股东回报纳入正式的议事日程。谢谢。

Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Our next question comes from Yung Peng Diao with Guotai Haitong. Please go ahead.

Conference Operator: 好,谢谢管理层给我这个提问的机会。我想问一下关于公司对于资本运作方面有什么样的一个中期规划,猎豹是不是会考虑在香港二次上市,或者说将机器人业务拆分融资,或者单独在香港上市?谢谢管理层。

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: 好,谢谢您关于资本运作方面的问题,也是我来回答。关于香港二次上市,其实我们一直有积极的研究和关注可能性,但是现阶段从猎豹现实的情况,我们确实面临一些挑战。一方面,我们现在市值还没有达到相关的要求;另一方面,由于我们也是有A类、B类投票权结构的,这样根据香港联交所规定,在香港实现二次上市,在市值和利润方面也有更高的一个要求。所以要实现这个目标,核心还是我们要把我们的市值和业务的表现要取得更大的一个突破。 关于您问的说是不是有拆分机器人业务单独上市,我们目前来看,因为我们刚刚的上个季度是完成了对仲维利收购,当前我们在机器人业务上还是去推进业务的整合,发挥机器人和机械臂一个协同效应。在这个时间点,我们暂时没有考虑去单独分拆机器人业务。 同时对于资本运作,其实在猎豹本身的纽交所上市地位,这个平台我们觉得对我们整个猎豹品牌国际化或者拓展海外业务方面也是一个很好的补充。所以暂时我们也没有考虑在美国市场有什么新的动作。但是我们也看到,注意到,就是近年,特别是今年,香港市场是越来越火热,也是成为了一个重要的融资渠道的潜力,同时也可能给公司带来更多一个资金流入。所以我们还是会持续地去评估各种各样的可能性,去优化我们的资本结构。谢谢。

Thank you. Operator, please move to the next question.

Operator: Absolutely. Our final question today comes from Cheng Ru Li with Huayong Securities. Please go ahead.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: 你好,感谢管理层接受我的提问,然后也非常恭喜公司在成都实现了这么好的一个业绩情况。然后我的问题是关于公司对于仲维利收购的,因为我们以一个非常合理的估值把它进行了收购,然后也是显著地增强了我们在机器人业务产品线和商业化方面的一个协同能力。我们也注意到猎豹公司在AI相关领域还有一些其他的一些投资,比如说像利塔等等一些优质资产。然后请问管理层是否考虑在未来合适的时机将这个资产整合,然后进一步增强猎豹在AI机器人或者AI工具业务的一些战略终身呢?谢谢。 谢谢您的问题,我来回答。确实对仲维的收购,像您所说的,我们不仅是一个合理的估值,而且在产品线和商业化能力上也为我们机器人业务带来了新的协同效应。确实也印证了我们可以通过战略性投资和收购来强化我们核心业务的这么一个思路。关于我们账上有的一些投资或者说一些新的机会,我觉得在条件成熟时,我们肯定会积极地考虑把生态内的投资和公司现有主营业务如果有非常好的协同效应的话,我们肯定会考虑做更深度的整合,去构建我们在AI,不管是机器人或者是新的AI工具的领域的核心的竞争力。这肯定是一个很重要的一个路径,但是确实在目前我们其实并没有任何一个特定的标的去形成明确的计划和时间表。我们也是以比较谨慎的原则,我们希望可以谨慎地衡量每一个整合的标的,确保整合动作能够为业务创造真正的增量的价值,并且给股东创造更大的一个价值。

Okay, Operator. Please check if we have any further questions. If not, we will end the call.

Operator: Yes, ma’am. We have no further questions in queue at this time, but if you’d like to join, please press star then one. I’m showing no questions, ma’am. You may proceed with any closing remarks.

Helen, Investor Relations, Cheetah Mobile: Okay. And then we can end the call. Thank you so much for joining our early conference call today. Thank you so much.

Operator: Thank you. And thanks, everyone, for connecting to today’s call. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.